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Dean in trouble?

by dayspring, Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 06:14:40 PM EST

I heard through the rumor mill that Dean hasn't been doing well in the fundraising front and that he will be replaced by the end of summer if things keep going as they are going.

I heard the off-year fundraising dollars being better than ever was just spin and that he refuses to call the "big money" donors.

Does anyone have any info as to what's going on?

Is this true? Am I worried about nothing?

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not true (3.00 / 2)

dean's raised more money than any other chair in DNC history.

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by annatopia on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 06:18:32 PM EST

Re: not true (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, but I keep hearing this isn't necessarily the case and that what we are hearing is just spin. I hate these rumors, but its from a fairly reliable source...

by dayspring on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 07:08:05 PM EST
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Re: not true (3.00 / 1)

What source?

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by just another vet on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 07:10:16 PM EST
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Evidence, please. (3.00 / 1)

There's numerous people trying to circulate lies about Dean and distract from Rove's very serious problems right now.

Need a link to the evidence proving you claim, or I'm just going your statement is unsupported rubbish.

by afs on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 07:26:23 PM EST
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from a fairly reliable source... (3.00 / 1)

Let us decide who your "reliable source" is...

and how "his" infos defers from the what the FEC reports say.

Name the source. Or quit posting untruths.

by nanorich on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 07:51:04 PM EST
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Re: from a fairly reliable source... (none / 0)

Well see, I told him about the FEC reports and he said that was spin and that Dean could be raising more money but refuses to call the big money donors.

What bothered me the most was that he said Dean would be ousted in the end of Summer.

Also, I'm NOT posting untruths. I'm asking a question about a rumor. I never said it was something I believed, just something I heard.

by dayspring on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 12:05:29 AM EST
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Whoa! FEC and DNC are spinning?? (none / 0)

You really did say that didn't you? Enough for me to put on tinfoil hat.

by concerned democrat on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 12:54:16 AM EST
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Re: from a fairly reliable source... (none / 0)

the fec reports aren't spin. you can go look all that stuff up online.

as to dean not calling big donors, waaaah! what the dc insiders have a problem with right now is that dean isn't kissing their asses. dean isn't courting the big corporate donors that fed the party during the 90s.

as to being ousted, that's funny. if you ask actualy voting dnc members, the vast majority of them will say that dean is doing exactly what they want him to do. they are very happy with his tenure thus far.

seriously, don't worry about this stuff.

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by annatopia on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 09:36:34 AM EST
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is your source.... (3.00 / 1)

...named hindrocket?

lmao.

seriously. you have the cover of a screen name here. name the source. whomever is backstabbing the head of our party should be exposed.

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by annatopia on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 08:00:45 PM EST
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Re: is your source.... (none / 0)

I dont think he was backstabbing. He was telling me matter-of-factly. He's tapped into the establishment dems (i think). I just know he's plugged in through NDN.

by dayspring on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 12:03:39 AM EST
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establishment? (none / 0)

ok, that makes perfect sense now. see my post slightly upthread.

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by annatopia on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 09:37:09 AM EST
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Re: not true (none / 0)

Way to perpetuate the rumor mill of the Right. Great job!

Witty comment goes here...

by michael in chicago on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 09:52:09 PM EST
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Who would have the muscle to replace Dean? (none / 0)

There isn't a viable coalition in the whole party that could replace Howard Dean. They would have a fifty state rebellion at this point.

Any rumors are being started by Al From and Joe Biden. Fuhgedaboudit.

by Gary Boatwright on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 07:39:07 PM EST

Uh? (3.00 / 1)

Where exactly did you hear this?

Who exactly said it?

Why did you post it here?

by nanorich on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 07:48:21 PM EST

Re: Uh? (none / 0)

Over lunch this afternoon.

Someone from NDN (Simon Rosenberg's group).

Cuz I like to think that some people on here are "in the know" and I wanted my worries relieved.

by dayspring on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 12:02:02 AM EST
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Hey, Dayspring. (3.00 / 1)

Here is an absolutely trustworthy rule to follow.

Whenever you see lots of smoke billowing about how a Deomcrat is in trouble while that Democrat is on the offensive, ...

Understand this:

He is hurting the Thugs and they are out to short circuit him! (Or her!)

John Dean is terrifying the Republican Party. He has the absolutely correct formula not just to win elections but to empower people to take their nation back from the corporate bandits.

He is kicking a moribund party back to life and helping it rediscover itself.

He is opening up channels of power and money that will swamp connected DC.

And the Thugs are scared to death.

So, they pull this crap trying to doscredit him.

They do it every single time.

If there is a Dem. who is not being attacked by rumors, slime, and inuendo, then that Dem is tame and not a threat to the Thugs.

When was the last time the Thugs circulated a negative rumor about Lieberman?

Absolutely safe rule of interpretation:

Whatever the Thugs attack is something they see as a serious threat.

by Thresholder on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 07:51:21 PM EST

john dean? (none / 0)

heh. interesting typo there. =)

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by annatopia on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 08:00:07 PM EST
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But you guys... (none / 0)

... it's from a *REALLLY* reliable source! It's soooooo reliable. It's so reliable, that it should probably count as two sources.

Did I mention how reliable it is. It sooper-dooper reliable. I'm talking MEGAreliable here, you guys. The source I mean.

I guess I'm just trying to say... that the source.... is so reliable I'm about to pee my pants, because its just too reliable... usually sources aren't THIS reliable, but this one is. Reliable I mean.

McCain sucks!

by teknofyl on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 10:22:26 PM EST

Dean (2.00 / 1)

Dean is certainly doing nothing to broaden the appeal of the party. As USA Today put it in a recent article when Dean was bashing white Christians,

"Displaying barely concealed contempt for white Christians is Dean's formula for ethnic and theological purity in the party. Keep it up and the Democratic Party will be confined to a few zip codes in Manhattan, Hollywood and San Francisco."

Sadly, I think this is true. If the DNC chair keeps driving away mainstream America, the Republicans will have the Whitehouse forever.

by sdcinns on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 11:34:39 PM EST

Re: Dean (none / 0)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050616/cm_usatoday/confessionsofawhitechristianrepublican/nc:742

I think that when they send you out with talking points and an opinion piece titled

Confessions of a white Christian Republican

which it is noted you didn't link, the word junior troll apprentice grade applies here.

Republicans should be the last people to lecture Republicans about broadening out base.

But thanks for playing!

by nanorich on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 11:43:50 PM EST
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correction (none / 0)

Republicans should be the last people to lecture Democrats on how to broaden our appeal.

And if you don't believe me, ask Karl Rove.

by nanorich on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 11:45:19 PM EST
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We know RW talking points when we see them. (none / 0)

And you are using them most certainly. Most of us here like to think for ourselves, and we don't need no stinkin' talking points.

I am a Christian, and I appreciate what he says about hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is a word that some young, and even older Republicans don't seem to understand.

by concerned democrat on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 11:51:51 PM EST
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To clarify, was responding to sdcinns. (none / 0)

Doesn't look that way in the thread.

by concerned democrat on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 11:53:30 PM EST
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Re: To clarify, was responding to sdcinns. (none / 0)

ah okay, i thought you were talking about me. I actually replied at the bottom cuz i thought everyone here thought i was perpetuating Rethug talking points. So apologies to anyone if I offended.

Except sdcinns of course. :-)

by dayspring on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 12:07:05 AM EST
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NO....but the controversy about major (none / 0)

donors comes from this story at The Hill, the best source for literal news on The Hill.

Dean lost his three of his Major Donor Finance Directors in one week. This story details both that part and, if memory serves, his success at raising funds from less traditional, smaller donor sources.

I've spoken with one of the former Finance Directors in the story and all are on their own way with no hard feelings. The amount of total funds raised is less than the RNC yet ahead of where the DNC was in last cycle.

We'll see what happens with the major money players. My guess is that they will never abandon their roots...which is this Party.

Chairman Dean has barely had time to settle in, much less set his structure fully in motion....everything in good time.

just a red meat eatin' Democratic Dawg frontpaging at The Democratic Daily...

by BigDog on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 11:56:35 PM EST

jeez thanks for nothing most of you (none / 0)

The "source" is someone from Simon Rosenberg's NDN.

I'm not "propagating right wing talking points" or whatever, i was simply asking a legitimate question.

This is what I heard and I wanted to know if anyone out there had any info.

You know, I gotta say this, some of the people on here are real judgemental jerks.

There I am with this particular NDN individual (who shall remain nameless) and I was defending Howard Dean's statements and stewardship.

What struck me was that he said they were going to make Dean step down at the end of Summer. So I come on here hoping someone else who hopefully has the inside scoop could set my mind at ease.

The NDN person who told me this wasn't some Right wing plant, we happen to disagree about Dean. He said Dean is a great guy, but is a political disaster, saying stupid things blah blah blah...

IF Dean isn't raising the money he's supposed to I'd like to know so I could divert more resources to helping him raise money. If he's going to be ousted soon I'd like to know so I could try and stop it.

by dayspring on Thu Jun 23, 2005 at 11:59:04 PM EST

People who quote (none / 0)

rumors..without attribution....are beneath contempt and shouldn't whine when they are nailed when their source turns out to be from Rosenberg's camp, which after all is the DLC dressed up in dorky techie clothes.

You play gossip games and you become a tool. Especially when you repeat stuff from people with zero credibility.

by nanorich on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 12:05:46 AM EST
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NDN wants corporate money more than ours. (3.00 / 1)

They always will. I hear the 3 fundraisers who resigned felt the same way. Dean says over and over he is rebuilding the party from the ground up.

The DLC, from which the NDN arose, was formed to bypass traditional Democratic party bases such as the black community, unions, minorities. They specifically went after the corporations. Deliberately.

Dean said in an interview that our side would not need as much money as the GOP, that we were doing fine.

The ones who want the party to stay in the pockets of the larger donors are not going to be happy with Howard Dean. He will need them, of course, but not exclusively.

TPTB are not happy with the direction he is taking the party, only the "people" are. It will take a long time, and it won't be easy. If you heard it from the NDN, I now understand.

They are going the route in 08 of wanting a candidate to appeal to "national security"...ie military...appealing to the fears that Bush inflamed. Some of that is ok if they don't go overboard.

The NDN is quite powerful, but so is Howard Dean...and those of us who supported him.

by concerned democrat on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 12:33:24 AM EST
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Re: NDN wants corporate money more than ours. (none / 0)

ah okay. Thanks!

I think Dean is doing great since he's doing what he said he would do. I also dont buy into the whole money thing. It just didnt make sense.

On another note, do you have any more info on NDN? I'm actually a member (lower-tier) and went to one of their events. They have been distancing themselves from the DLC and have been courting progressives like Kos, MoveOn people, and DFA. That is what made me think they were the progressive alternative to the DLC. I know Al From is now furious with them because of that.

I also agree with a lot of their economic viewpoints, such as how CAFTA is good in theory, but the plan as it stands sucks.

They did used to rely on corporate money but now that the Repricks hold the power that money has dried up.

What do people think of NDN here? They definitely market themselves as a slightly left of center progressive org.

Anyone?

by dayspring on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 01:41:24 PM EST
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I think you know a lot about them. (none / 0)

Sounds like it. There is a lot of good they do, and they are well-organized. However, lately I have noticed the "national security" push, and I don't like it.

You can find it at their site. I don't think we need to continue the "who will keep us safer" theme. It was used in a climate of fear. We need not to do that anymore.

If you are repeating what you really heard, it damages our party a lot. If you did not actually hear it and are seeking reaction....it damages our party even more.

by concerned democrat on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 03:13:07 PM EST
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DNC (none / 0)

Even if this is true there is NO ONE AT ALL who could replace Dean at this point. The 50 state party chairman adore him right now. Dean will eventually get the money he needs. It really is not surprising the RNC outraising the DNC especially in an off year.

by Odysseus on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 01:17:50 AM EST

Fine (none / 0)

If they throw him out of the DNC, then he starts to run for POTUS for 2008, what will they do. His position on the war is now the position of the American People. How would these Democratic sellouts like that?

Max Friedman

by Max Friedman on Sat Jun 25, 2005 at 08:34:21 PM EST

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